[GAP Forum] Matrix Generators of a Group Represented as a Permutation

[David Musyoka]

Dear GAP community,Kindly appealing for your help,I have a permutation representation of a group G, and my intention is to get the generators of the group in Matrix form over GF(3),I am trying,    gap> G := Group (GeneratorsOfGroup);;
    gap> M := PermGModule (G, GF(3));The system returns an error Variable 'PermGModule' must have a value not in any function at ...How do i go about it 

Best Regards
David.

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  On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 13:06, Dima Pasechnik<dmitrii.pasechnik at cs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:   Dear all,
> How can i generate a group e.g "Sp6(2)" as a matrix group by 7 * 7 matrices, then generate "S8" as a matrix group inside Sp6(2) by 7 * 7 matrices using GAP prog.


gap> G:=GeneralOrthogonalGroup(7,2); # use the fact that Sp(6,2)=O(7,2)
GO(0,7,2)
gap> o:=Orbits(G, GF(2)^7,OnLines);;
gap> List(o,Size); # in this representation S8 fixes a hyperplane, not a vector
[ 1, 63, 63, 1 ]
gap> Gt:=Group(List(GeneratorsOfGroup(G),TransposedMat));
<matrix group with 2 generators>
gap> ot:=Orbits(Gt, GF(2)^7,OnLines);;
gap> List(ot,Length); # the stabiliser of a vector in 3rd orbit is S8
[ 1, 63, 36, 28 ]
gap> s8:=Stabilizer(Gt,ot[3][1],OnLines); # here it is. 
<matrix group of size 40320 with 3 generators>

Hope this helps
Dima

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 07:32:51AM +0000, David Musyoka wrote:
> Dear Forum, Dear Alexander Hulpke,
> Given a group G, and and a vector space V of dimension n over GF(q), i am abe to compute the orbit Lengths of V under action of G using the following GAP commands:
> V:=FullRowSpace(GF(q),n);Orb:=OrbitLengths(G,V)
> My question is, how then do i compute the corresponding point stabilizers (which are subgroups of G) for the orbits using GAP.
> Thank you team in advance.
> David.
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>  On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 at 22:47, David Musyoka<davidmusyoka21 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Dear Alexander Hulpke,Dear Forum.
> Thank You very much.
> 
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>  On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 at 19:48, Hulpke,Alexander<Alexander.Hulpke at colostate.edu> wrote:  Dear Forum, Dear Marc David Musyoka,
> 
> On Jun 20, 2020, at 00:22, David Musyoka <davidmusyoka21 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Deat all,
> Kind request to this team, i am new to GAP and i wish to be assisted in the following,
> How can i generate a group e.g "Sp6(2)" as a matrix group by 7 * 7 matrices, then generate "S8" as a matrix group inside Sp6(2) by 7 * 7 matrices using GAP prog.
> 
> I wish that am assisted on how to execute the same step by step and the matrix generators for the two groups be listed.
> 
> 
> Yes, I also often wish that someone would assist me in every step and provide me with the full result.
> Anyhow, in this case (the algorithm is exponential time and attempts will fail if groups are too large, or if the subgroup to be embedded needs many generators) `IsomorphicSubgroups` seems to do the trick in a few minutes.
> gap> G:=SP(6,2);Sp(6,2)gap> emb:=IsomorphicSubgroups(G,SymmetricGroup(8)); # finds embeddings from S8 into G[ [ (1,8)(2,7)(3,5)(4,6), (1,8,4,7,3)(5,6) ] ->    [ <an immutable 6x6 matrix over GF2>, <an immutable 6x6 matrix over GF2> ] ]gap> sub:=Image(emb[1]);<matrix group with 2 generators>
> So there is one class of subgroups and `sub` is one (not necessarily the nicest one) representative.
> Of course this is computational overkill. The more sensible way would be to produce the matrix representation (as reduced permutation representation), find the form that it stabilizes, and then conjugate that form to the one used for Sp.
> Oh, here are the explicit matrix generators :-)
> gap> GeneratorsOfGroup(sub);[ <an immutable 6x6 matrix over GF2>, <an immutable 6x6 matrix over GF2> ]
> (You can use `Print` or `Display` on each of them to see them with numbers.)
> All the best,
>   Alexander Hulpke
> -- Colorado State University, Department of Mathematics,
> Weber Building, 1874 Campus Delivery, Fort Collins, CO 80523-1874, USA
> email: hulpke at colostate.edu, 
> http://www.math.colostate.edu/~hulpke
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